Being a beggar, an occupation in Thailand soon. If law is passed.
Today I was at school and reading a newspaper on my laptop while doing some work, when I came across what I thought had to be a joke. Even when I read the article I thought it was a practical joke and also other teachers didn’t believe me until they read the article.
What the article is about is being a beggar in Thailand. Anyone who has travelled to Thailand has come across pesky beggars; many foreigners actually dig into their pockets and give absurd amounts of money, which can be 20 Baht to 100 Baht.
In the article it said that; being a beggar will not be so easy anymore if draft legislation approved by the cabinet yesterday becomes law. The bill proposed by the Human Security and Social Development Ministry sets conditions for people who want to be beggars.
Now this is next bit is pretty hard to read and not laugh or shake your head at the absolute stupidity of it.
Beggars must provide proof they are underprivileged, disabled, homeless or elderly without children to care for them. And this will be a reserved occupation, exclusively for Thais who must carry ID cards.
So, it is an occupation! Also you need proof that you’re underprivileged. And have a Thai ID Card. Now many people who are “underprivileged” don’t have forms of ID, especially all the documents needed for a Thai ID card.
Now this is an absolute ball tearer. Try not to laugh, please.
Would-be professional beggars will have to report to local administration organisations for approval and work permits.
Yes, the beggars will get “work permits”. So this means if this bill is passed you can ask a beggar for their work permit and ID Card.
Here’s the bad news:
Local agencies will be responsible for controlling beggars in their jurisdictions, while the Social Development and Welfare Department will have special centres to help them and programmes to care for them.
Now, local agencies do not try and control the beggar situation, so this means that they will more than likely let it continue the way it is. Thais don’t want to create ripples in the calm water.
Some good news:
Those who force other people to beg, or exploit them, will be liable to criminal punishment, deputy government spokeswoman said.
Umm, why don’t they simply enforce this now? This is happening all across Thailand now. The government knows this; major human rights organizations know this. What is stopping them from trying to catch these scumbags now?
Then the government minister says “Passing the legislation into law would help the authorities get rid of the large number of foreign beggars in the country”.
There are many foreign beggars including many asshole foreigners pretending to be hard up and telling sob stories of unjust that has been done to them. I seen a beggar from England begging last trip to Bangkok, he had a pathetic story written out on some cardboard. I wanted to kick the guy but this would just be a waste of energy and time on such a thief.
This is a good idea as most of these people are illegal immigrants and most are under the control of gangs. Detain the poor people and send them home to their countries.
A fellow teacher who just done a Thai Cultural course said that he was told on this course about Thai children being taken to Cambodia and being maimed as in having body parts removed to get more compassion from people. He thought this was a joke until I told him it wasn’t.
I explained that this was true and still happens today. Young children still go missing in remote villages in Thailand, stolen by mafia style gangs and sold into a life of misery; sadly Thai parents also sell their children for paltry sums believing they are going off to a better life.
But most of the beggars you come across in Thailand come from other countries, usually Laos and Cambodia. Most are being used by gangs and mistreated, I cannot tell any person travelling to Thailand “Do not give any money to a beggar”. This is even for a tiny dirty little kid, or an old lady with a tiny baby.
Yes, some are genuine, but many aren’t. Don’t support the gangs that are making many of these beggars’ lives hell. The money that beggars get goes to these ruthless thugs who beat them if they don’t collect enough money.
So if you travel to Thailand, don’t be rude to beggars. Give them a polite grin and just shake your head “No” and keep on walking.
I didn’t think I could come across anything more ridiculous than what I have ever already come across here before, but, this really takes the cake. It is pretty well the most insane thing I have read. Maybe this idea was thought up at a late night brain storming session at a local karaoke club well after Thai closing times when the brain cells weren’t working their best.
But again this is just my unprofessional view and maybe there are professionals out there with their views, I would love to hear them.
Brunty











4 comments:
When talking about the government going after people who exploit others and make them beg, you ask "Why don’t they simply enforce this now?" I think it is quite possible that there are no laws currently on the books that say that this is illegal. Perhaps they are trying to put this kind of language into the code of law so that they can start going after people. Or at least have it there in case they ever need to prosecute them.
I don't think the part about requiring beggars to have IDs and work permits is written with the intent of actually making sure that every one has an ID. Surely they know that many homeless people can barely keep track of their clothes, let alone an ID card and work permit. But I think the intent is again to have a law written that they can use to prosecute if needed.
I can see a situation where a policeman asks a beggar for their ID card. The beggar can not speak Thai, but speaks Khmer instead. Then the police can go through the act of deporting this person back to Cambodia because they don't have a Thai ID card, or better yet, try to find out who brought them here in the first place. However, if the police sees that the person is Thai, then they won't actually take any action against them for not having a card.
What do you think about that? Does it make sense if you look at it that way? I agree that many times the Thai government makes silly comments on laws they would like to see passed, but I am giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Oh, and by the way, I wrote about this same issue on my blog: sgtowns.com. Thanks for an thought-provoking read! :)
The kidnapped child rumors have circulated for years... but always seem more like urban legend. I've inquired about this specifically, and it's always a third- or fourth-hand anecdote.
Kind of like the thing with the belly-inflating chemical, or that Thailand's time zone is going to change. Thais, as is the human wont, love to spread rumors and urban legends.
I love this law; beggars should be forced to prove hardship. This would get rid of the lame foreign beggars and those who just beg to be lazy and not really hard-luck cases.
Just my two aussie pennies...:-)
Hi Stuart. Great comment mate. There is a "beggar law" that is from 1941.
This will be an updated version. I am all for it if it gets the scumbag foreign assholes you see around Bangkok with their bullshit stories.
Some really good thought provoking comments and I have enjoyed reading your blog.
I too will wait to see the final wording of the actual law if it is passed.
Hi Rikker. There are some rumours but the kidnapped kids is very true.
I will post some links for you. The BBC had some great stories from border villages about parents selling their kids for a few thousand Baht and others that just went missing.
Franky, I hate the white farangs with the sob bullshit stories, when I see them I want to kick teh shit out of them but I couldn't be bothered in wasting my time or energy.
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